CAN YOU LOVE A BOAT? Comments from owners of the FRANCES and VICTORIA 26.

LALUZ. A flush decked Frances that has sailed more than halfway around the world.

 

FELICITY, owned by Robin White. She was built by Victoria Yachts in Warsash, UK, then sailed transatlantic. She lives now in Owl’s Head, Maine. This is I believe the best of all the sailplans devised for the Frances… the cutter rig with short bowsprit, with a large lapper for light airs and a small staysail for a breeze, both on roller furlers.

 

A British built cutter rigged FRANCES.                                                photo credit Charlie Whiteman

I have received many comments over the past few years about my first design, the FRANCES 26. The majority of them have come from members of the Facebook Group, The Chuck Paine Yacht Design Fan Club. A couple were handwritten letters, which are transcribed. I include them here verbatim, with any errors unfixed. Wouldn’t want anyone to accuse them of being “fake news”. The writer’s name is highlighted in blue text.

 

Brian Dinsmore

We had our Frances for 26 years!

What a great ship she was. Should have kept her.

 

Peter Walsh

I ALSO spent many a happy hour there,

 

Phil Mislinski

I used to own a 1984 Victoria built Frances. She was an awesome boat. The finish work was very good. I now own a 1981 Morris Annie. The finish work is even better. I don’t think you can go wrong buying a Victoria built boat or a Morris built boat designed by Chuck Paine.

 

Paul Breslin

I’ve read all of your posts herein with great interest. You’re an accomplished, talented and lucky man. My now-departed friend had a Morris Francis. I loved sailing her around my home waters of the Cape and Islands. Look forward to a vicarious build of your…. Magnum opus?

 

Judy Higgins

The very best boat. We have loved our Frances “KATY” for almost 40 years!! She has been very good to us!!

Steve and Judy Higgins

 

Stewart Parks

— Thank you for designing such a stout and honest little boat. It was all I could fit into the garage space I had for a shop, and enough to take me anywhere I dared to go. Sorry I ever sold it, but financial necessity intervened…

I hope your new project brings you the same joy and satisfaction I got from building and sailing mine.   (OWNED Morris-built Tolerance)

 

Tom Parmelee.  Boise, Idaho

I am one of many who have experienced the brilliance of this design.  Our Frances (Cielo) was built by Tom Morris in ‘79 for a good friend of ours in Seattle, Washington.  My wife and I bought her from our friend in the summer of ‘83, then cruised locally and lived aboard in Seattle for a couple years.  Quitting our jobs (young and adventurous) we spent the next two and a half years sailing.  Down the west coast, Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, and so forth.  We transited the canal, visited the San Blas Islands, then sailed strait to Key West.  Boy, we had a lot of steam in those days!  From Key West, we continued on to the Chesapeake Bay via the intercoastal waterway.  We wintered over in Hampton Va.and shipped Cielo back to Seattle in the fall of that year.

We maintained Cielo superbly .  She was outfitted simply with the best gear.  Cutter rigged with the full headroom cabin.  We pushed her hard at times (150 miles was the best 24 hr run, with a bit of help from the current) yet regardless of the conditions—or our foolishness—Cielo’s design and solid construction kept us from worry.  That boat was way tougher than we were.  I won’t go into all our adventures but there were many.  Suffice to say your design was the vehicle for one of the best times of my life, and I simply would not be the guy I am today without the experience.

Thank you Chuck!

Tom Parmelee.  Boise, Idaho

 

Douglas Kelly

I owned Morris built Frances Hull #19 for many years (Weetamoe). She was a beautifully finished small yacht, which I sailed extensively on the New England coast, mostly Cape Cod and Islands. Sold her in 2000. Hope she is still giving someone the same pleasure she gave me.

 

Tom Morrow

(transcribed from handwritten letter)

April 11 , 1983

Dear Tom, (Morris)

Enclosed is the data card for my Fracncis (sic), “Danska”. I keep her moored in the Five Mile River at Rowayton, Conn during the summer and would be more than happy to show her to any of your prospective buyers in this area.

She’s as close to the perfect boat as I can imagine, well built pretty and a great sailer. Last summer I was on my way home from Block Island and went from the Connecticut River to Rowayton on one tack without having to touch the tiller even once.

Thanks for building

A fantastic boat,

Tom Morrow

 

Doug Bell

From Doug Bell, lived aboard La Lux for five years cruising the Pacific

Chuck Paine,
I read on a cursing blog that you were trying to reach me. I did not
see a date, so it could very well be ancient news. I had to sell
LaLuz in NZ in 2013. My wife said “too small.” We are now in
Madagascar in a Joubert designed French box that is a whopping 10mtrs.
“She ain’t much to look at, but she gets the job done” might be one
way to put it.

La Luz was a wonderful boat and I will never forget her. She stood up
to a blow and moved in light air and never gave me even a second of
doubt. And, she was always the most beautiful boat in the anchorage.
What more can a person ask for? The only problem was comfort at
anchor: bucket toilets and one burner primes stoves have their appeal,
but after 5 years it was time to flush!

Cheers, Doug

 

Margaret Pesaturo

I would not trade my Frances for any reason.

 

John Maurice

Hi Jason, I sailed my Francis 26 across the Atlantic. You’ve got a wonderful boat. I wish I still had ‘Beguine‘.

 

Bryan Burns

(Referring to Heartbreaker, Morris hull #1).

That boat was originally known as Opus Two of Quahog Bay and Marblehead. She was a hull kit from Morris and Alan Boyes finished her and launched her in 1994 ish.

She is cutter rigged with a seldon tapered mast. She originally carried tan bark sails.

I had the pleasure of owning her for 10 years. A fantastic boat. I sailed her in the Gulf Of Maine.

Now owned by a nice guy from NYC. He gave her a total restoration about 6 years ago. She is now known as Heartbreaker. The new owner made a voyage to the Bahamas and back to Connecticut.

 

Michael Coughlin

Chuck I am fortunate to have a Francis 26 from Tom Morris with an extended house. The original Musseta which Tom took back in 2002 and did an extensive restoration. I am surprised that this modification is not more popular. The additional head room is great and sleeplng forward very comfortable. She is now Loon and sails out of Castine. A superb sailing boat for our waters and two older sailors

 

James Robinson

Cutter rig saw us safely over thousands of miles over may years

 

Douglas Kelly

Your friendship with Tom Morris sounds like it was one for the ages. You were both blessed that your paths crossed and intertwined. I am a big fan of yours and of Tom’s and feel blessed that I owned a Morris Frances (Hull #19) for many years.

 

Judy Higgins

My husband and I have sailed our Frances “KATY” since 1985. Tho small by cruising standards, KATY gave us some great times!! Thank you Chuck Paine

 

Jason L. Schmidt

I’m aboard my Victoria Frances, Invictus, reading this. This boat has kept me safe in a few precarious situations due to my own decisions because I just had to go out and sail regardless of current or forecasted conditions. Thank you, Chuck! Your design has made me look like a much, much better sailor than I really am.

I’ve taken to the habit of talking to my boat. Each time I return to dock I thank her for protecting me.

 

Frank Sauer

I loved my Frances 26 ‘Jill‘ so much! Regret we have parted…

 

Martin Dewey

I had a Victoria 26 from the hamble bought hull & deck fitted out what a great sailing yacht , I love to get another one

 

Dany Ebenstreit

Frances26,lived on board one for 7 years,goog little sailor.

 

Charles Webster

Mithril was the most beautiful boat I ever owned.\

 

Dany Ebenstreit

had one for seven years….absolute darling…

 

Bryan Burns

Jeremey never sailed a Frances! I did for 10 years. Best little boat in the world. If you dont believe me ask Ferenc Máté!

 

Robin White

It is true a tiller will wear you out on a fin keel/spade rudder boat. But on the Frances, with the sails nicely balanced, you can sail in a straight line without touching the tiller while you eat your lunch. It’s that nice long keel giving you directional stability! The tiller allows me to feel what the boat is doing, definitely my preference.

You’ve definitely covered the lobster pot issue, and think about what could happen should one encounter a rock outcropping! There are challenges here on the jagged coast of Maine, and our Frances handles it all with grace. She is a stable, comfortable, fun-to-sail boat even when the wind comes up.

 

Lee Huston

There’s always that quest for performance and pointing higher. I’ve found that if you don’t pinch it, let it get some momentum, and come up a little gently, it’s possible to outperform boats that might do better if better handled.

 

Michael Coughlin

My wife and I have been able to sail Penobscot Bay and further North into our 80’s precisely because our Francis Loon is a stable easily handled boat. Her minimum draft allows us to get into some of the most beautiful cruising spots on this planet. Tom Morris did a major renovation on Loon in 2002 he loved these boats and we have been sailing her in 20 kts and a reef happily ever since. She has an extended house and I am curious why we don’t see that more of this modification. Much more room in the fore peak. Thank you Chuck. She does exactly what you designed her to do. BTW Tom moved the main sheet aft to a push pit arrangement. It gets the sheet out of the way and allows a much more aggressive sheeting angle to windward.

 

Frank Sauer

Thanks a lot for this precise and thoughtful statement, dear Chuck. Very well written and I was internally nodding the whole time in agreement. My Frances 26 was the finest boat I ever had.
Each to their own as the commenter says – but thanks to Chuck’s design for our Victoria 26 we have…
– out-sailed a Swan 48(ish) racer (admittedly on the morning after the night before at a Talisker distillery Classic Malts ceilidh/free bar, when the big boy crew seem to have mysteriously forgotten how to set sails!)
– survived a prolonged and sudden squall off Rum that went off the end of our wind instrument (well over 50kt)… just dropped sail and continued under bare poles
– sneaked into the calm shallow water at head of lochs when deeper boats had to stay more exposed further out (including that same evening in Rum)
– been applauded on arrival for lift out in another gale, after having to abandon approach at last minute and spin out of a dock not much wider than we are long
– eacaped a berth in Falmouth week which had literally less than 6” space front and back (springs are your friend – and also got applause from visiting French yachts either side)
– moored next to Moonbeam of Fife and not felt outclassed….other than by my varnish skills
– never once had any notion that the yacht would fail before the crew.
The real story is that the right boat depends entirely on how you plan to enjoy it. We are just starting 21st season cruising our baby Victoria and still doing just that!

Clayton Stalker

Loved how the Frances sat in the water and her easy motion.

Brian Dinsmore

Best of luck with her. Looks like exciting times ahead. I’m looking at one this w/e that’s 500 miles from me. We’ll see.

fyi I’ve previously owned one before for 26 years. It’s an awesome little ship!

 

Frank Sauer

JILL was my very loved Frances 26 in Singapore from 2011-2015. Miss her a lot but I know she is in good hands now with Bill Robinson.

 

Bill Robinson

Erich Seiser No Erich, I am based in Langkawi, Malaysia. I bought the 2 Navik units, and an Optimus paraffin stove, before I found a Francis in Singapore. I bought the boat sight unseen, during the Covid lockdown, “managed” to get it out of Singapore, and single handed it 450nm to Langkawi. Lots of stuff done, last job is the artificial teak on the cabin sole. I am absolutely delighted with this little gem.

 

Keith Lawrence

I once crossed the Gulfstream in my self-designed and built 28-foot cutter from Bimini to Ft. Lauderdale. The night turned into an up-to-48-knot Northeaster. My friends on Gypsy Eagle, a homebuilt Frances left at the same time. They beat me into Ft. Lauderdale by three hours. Frances was a much better heavy-weather boat.

 

Robert Hughes

I did something similar with the Frances I built, also in the UK, back in 1985. The plans gave the options of a shorter mast with bowsprit for jib, plus a boomed staysail, or a taller mast with large jib or genoa. I think the difference in mast height was about three feet. I went for the taller mast and also the bowsprit, flying a roller reefing genoa. I put my staysail on a small boom, but with a sheet on each side so you could trim it accurately, and back it if you ever got caught in irons or if you wanted to heave to. That meant it wasn’t self-tacking, but it could be sheeted without winches in an instant. It was also safer. For short tacking up a narrow river that staysail was brilliant, quick & effortless. At sea in heavy weather you could put the genoa away and sail under staysail & reefed main. In lighter weather if the wind was aft of the beam the staysail wasn’t much help, so we used genoa & main for that. As the wind moved forward of the beam all three sails pulled very well together, and she went like a train. It was only when we were beating close-hauled that there was interference between the foresails, so for that we would either use the genoa or the staysail, depending on conditions. We sailed that boat from England to the Caribbean in ’86, taking part in the first ARC race, and cruised back in ’87. No regrets about the boat or the rig 👍

Robert Hughes

 On Mithril, my Frances, the main part of the crossing took us 24 days from Gran Canaria to Barbados, arrived Xmas Day ’86. We could have done it more quickly if we tried, but our approach was cruising rather than racing even though we were in the ARC. There were only two of us and my girlfriend had never sailed before. The winds were against us for the first few days and it took a long time to find the true trade winds. We followed the traditional sailing instructions “south ’til the butter melts then west”, which turned out to be about right. Running downwind we had the genoa poled out and vanged forward, opposite the main which was also vanged forwards. If there was any doubt about the wind piping up in the night we put a reef in the main before dark. The Frances was a great boat for a trip like that.

Mo Jefferies

We’ve had our V800 since she was built in 1996 and wouldn’t change a thing. A great layout, not too dissimilar to your new proposal. We used to keep an Eastport nesting pram on deck too, but now we just tow it everywhere. Thanks for a great design!

 

Brian Tilley

It is a real live photo. The boat has been fully refit: Mr Paine was kind enough to answer a few key questions along the way. I am sketching a new project now and am open to finding a very good home for Truant. Easy for me to say….but she’s a beauty and is great fun to sail

 

Linda Dewing

Frances 26’s are extremely seaworthy. Mithril went across the Atlantic and back with her first owner. The crew will give up long before the boat does. Similar statements can be made about pretty well all of Chuck’s designs.

Phil Mislinski

Here are a couple pics of my old Victoria built Frances complete with SeaSwing stove . Her name was Galadriel and she was a joy to sail.
Brian Tilley
From:bctilley@gmail.com
To:Chuck Paine
Mon, Oct 30 at 6:52 AM

Mr Paine:

I hope this finds you well.
Truant has been a joy to own and sail.
It is a little hard to believe,  but I actually sold her last week.   The new owner sailed a Frances for 25 years and desperately wanted to get back to sailing one.

Steve Mummery

The late Bob Hathaway, who was a Victoria owner and later served Victoria Yachts Ltd as its Technical Director took off from the UK in his Francis 26 shortly after the firm went out of business and ended up arriving and settling in the Caribbean. I remember him telling me about his amazing 3-4 week sail across the Atlantic and how well his, by then old, Francis26 took on the high seas.

 

Linda Dewing

Our F26 Mithril was home completed by her original owner and sailed across in the 1986 ARC and then back the following year. If you search this forum you will find his responses to my initial post and some pictures from the trip. There are pictures and logs from other F26’s which made the 1 way trip to the states and remain there both in waterlines (The Victoria Shadow Association Journal) and on the Chuck Paine and Frances 26 facebook pages. There are also references to others sailing to Australia

 

Phil Thorne

The second owner of my F26 Beguine took her from Spain to the Chesapeake and back. I just potter around the East Coast UK.

 

Bill Robinson

A properly set up Frances 26, is easily capable of ocean crossings, and many have done exactly that. I would have no hesitation in crossing an ocean on Inyoni, my Victoria Frances 26 as she is now. Navik wind vane, auto pilot, cutter rigged , 3 reef mainsail, paraffin stove and heater, lee cloths, AIS, EPIRB, Beta 16 etc.

 

Mike Healey

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More than one Sadler 26 has circumnavigated the world. I’d prefer a Frances 26. Or better still Air New Zealand

 

Mike Bees When I sailed my Frances to windward like that in a decent breeze you could literally leave the tiller to take care of itself, the rudder just

followed the boat These designs are so sweetly balanced

 

Desmond Cross

A fabulous boat and highly prized.

Paul Breslin

 I sailed a Frances for a few years and loved that sweet vessel. Strong and able. Salty.+

 

Peter and Pam Hayes

We sailed our wonderful Lissome many thousands of miles between Puget Sound and Alaska and 18 mos. in the Pacific to New Zealand. Western Pacific and Australia. She was built by Morris Yachts in late ‘70s.

Very steady and handy for a boat of that size. We sailed everywhere because we could, and hardly used the engine. Used 12 gallons of fuel to get to NZ. Explored Vanuatu, Solomons, and Australia engineless (raw water-cooled Volvo didn’t like the tropical water!).

Peter Hayes

 Yes, we made it Seattle to NZ with only 12 gal. of diesel going through the one lung Volvo. She is so handy that we could sail nearly anywhere, and we did. I take exception to the comments here earlier that a Frances being “slow”. Our making it from SF to Hawaii in 18 days was linked to our keeping her right at hull speed because her small size made it easy to do the sail changes needed to keep her close to her max.. We found her fast, given her small size. Put her keel straight to the sky in a gale off of N. California, when a key part on the Navik vane came adrift at an inopportune time. So, we tested both the boat and the crew – and both passed well. How fortunate we were! Our family now owns a cedar, cold molded Carol, and she’s lovely too.

Peter Hayes

Given the group’s current exploration of Franceses that have significant miles under their keels, here is another one – with a NZ connection to boot. “Lissome” was built in the Morris yard and sailed by first owner from Maine to New Orleans. She served our family well for 18 years and over 14,000 miles, up and down the NW coast and Seattle – NZ – Solomons – New Guinea – Australia. Sailing shot from the Bay of Islands in ’86. Wonderful boat. Thanks Chuck – and Tom M.!

Stuart Elgar (British Frances RUSH)

she was a lovely yacht to sail. My wife never forgave me for selling her

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